Noncommuting Observables
Two observables are noncommuting when their operators satisfy
This is an operator statement: somewhere in the Hilbert space, the two orderings act differently. For finite-dimensional sharp observables, it has several equivalent physical consequences:
- the observables have no complete orthonormal basis of simultaneous eigenvectors;
- their spectral projectors admit no single sharp joint measurement;
- an ideal measurement of one can change the statistics of a later measurement of the other;
- ordered products and ordered measurement probabilities cannot generally be replaced by one classical joint distribution.
These statements are related, but they are not interchangeable. Noncommutativity is state independent, while uncertainty bounds and observed order effects can depend on the state. Preparation uncertainty describes two distributions assigned to one input state, while measurement disturbance describes a physical intervention. Generalized, unsharp measurements can also be jointly measurable even when some of their effects do not commute.
The reliable conclusion is therefore not that “both quantities are unknowable.” It is that the two sharp observables do not belong to one common classical measurement context.
Scope and Conventions
Section titled “Scope and Conventions”Most of this page assumes a finite-dimensional complex Hilbert space and two self-adjoint operators with spectral decompositions
The projectors and refer to complete eigenspaces, including all degeneracy. They obey
and analogous relations for the .
Three levels of description will be kept separate:
- Algebra: whether vanishes as an operator.
- Sharp measurement structure: whether all commute with all .
- A particular experiment: whether a chosen state and two chosen measurement implementations exhibit different statistics when reordered.
For self-adjoint matrices, the first two criteria are equivalent. The third is more specific: noncommutation guarantees that an order-sensitive experiment can be found, not that every input state and every reported statistic must show an order effect.
The algebra of the bracket itself belongs to Commutators. The full ordered-probability calculation belongs to Sequential Measurements. This page concentrates on what noncommutation means physically.
Order of Operator Actions
Section titled “Order of Operator Actions”Operator products act from right to left:
whereas
If , there is at least one vector in the common domain for which these outputs differ. Equivalently, there is some such that
That statement concerns operator composition. It must not be read too literally as a measurement recipe. In particular, the product is not by itself the state-update map for “measure , then measure .” Sequential measurements require outcome projectors or, more generally, quantum instruments.
There is another useful warning. If and are Hermitian, then
Consequently,
For noncommuting observables, the ordered product is generally not itself an observable. Its Hermitian and anti-Hermitian parts are
and
The first is the symmetrized product used in covariance; the second records order sensitivity. See Anticommutators for the symmetric part.
Sharp Incompatibility
Section titled “Sharp Incompatibility”For finite-dimensional self-adjoint operators, the following statements are equivalent:
- .
- for every .
- There is a complete orthonormal basis of simultaneous eigenvectors.
- The two projective measurements have a common projective refinement.
Therefore
means that at least one pair of spectral projectors fails to commute and that no single projective measurement can reproduce both sharp observables as marginals.
The projector formulation is the operationally precise one. Eigenvalue degeneracy does not create a loophole: each projects onto the whole -eigenspace. What degeneracy can do is allow the two observables to share some eigenvectors or invariant subspaces without sharing a complete basis.
The commuting theorem and its proof are developed in Compatible Observables.
No Complete Shared Eigenbasis
Section titled “No Complete Shared Eigenbasis”Suppose an orthonormal basis diagonalized both observables:
Then every basis vector would satisfy
By linearity, on the whole space. The contrapositive gives the useful test:
The word complete is essential. If one normalized state happens to satisfy
then
This does not force the commutator to vanish on vectors orthogonal to .
A three-dimensional example
Section titled “A three-dimensional example”In the basis , let
and
Both matrices are Hermitian, and is a common eigenvector:
Nevertheless,
The observables agree on one one-dimensional sector but differ in how they act on the span of and . A single common eigenvector is therefore a state-specific fact, not compatibility of the observables.
The finer distinction between common eigenvectors, common eigenspaces, and a complete common basis is the subject of Simultaneous Eigenstates.
Three State-Dependent Tests
Section titled “Three State-Dependent Tests”The following statements have decreasing strength:
and
The first is an operator identity. The second says that the two orderings agree on one state. The third says only that their difference has zero expectation in that state.
Neither state-dependent equality proves compatibility. For example,
but in ,
This hierarchy explains why the expectation of a commutator is not a scalar measure of how incompatible two observables are.
Sequential Projective Measurements
Section titled “Sequential Projective Measurements”Let the initial state be a density operator . An ideal projective measurement of first, followed by one of , has ordered joint probability
Reversing the apparatus order gives
These are probabilities for two different experiments. If the projectors commute, then
so both orders reduce to the joint probability
If some and do not commute, the two ordered expressions need not agree. The first measurement changes which state enters the second Born-rule calculation.
The sequences and contain different projector products. When every commutes with every , both branches reduce to the common sharp joint effect .
Possibility is not universality
Section titled “Possibility is not universality”Noncommutation does not imply
for every . Symmetry, a special input state, or a particular outcome can make the two numbers equal. The correct global statement is that noncommuting sharp observables do not admit order-independent joint projective statistics for all states.
This distinction is experimentally important. A null order effect in one preparation is not evidence that the observables commute; one must vary the preparation or test the operator/projector relation directly.
Unread Measurements and Disturbance
Section titled “Unread Measurements and Disturbance”Suppose the outcome is not retained. The ideal nonselective Lüders channel is
The probability of a later outcome becomes
where the dual map acts as
The unread measurement leaves the statistics unchanged for every state exactly when
for every . For projective and , this is equivalent to
for all . Thus noncommuting sharp observables permit a preparation for which an unread ideal measurement of one changes a later distribution of the other.
The channel formula also shows why “the result was ignored” does not mean “no measurement occurred.” Discarding the classical record sums the conditioned branches; it does not undo the physical interaction.
For realistic apparatuses, a POVM specifies outcome probabilities but not the postmeasurement state. The full instrument is needed to predict later statistics. That more general distinction belongs to Compatible, Incompatible, and Sequential Measurements.
Spin One-Half Example
Section titled “Spin One-Half Example”For a spin- particle,
The Pauli algebra gives
so and are noncommuting sharp observables.
Prepare . A direct measurement is certain to return . If an unread measurement is inserted first, the state becomes
The later probabilities are therefore
The comparison is operational:
Changing representation would not have this effect. A basis change rewrites the same state and operators; inserting an apparatus performs a new physical operation.
General two-axis formula
Section titled “General two-axis formula”Let
where , and let the input state have Bloch vector :
Measuring along and then gives
The reversed order gives
The conditional factor is symmetric, but the first-outcome factor probes a different component of the input Bloch vector. This makes both the potential order dependence and its state dependence explicit.
The matrix identities used here are collected in Pauli Matrices.
Why There Is No Sharp Joint Probability
Section titled “Why There Is No Sharp Joint Probability”For commuting projectors, the joint alternatives are
They are projectors, sum to the identity, and have the correct marginals:
Conversely, suppose a projective measurement had these marginals. Orthogonality of its outcomes would give
Thus a common sharp joint measurement would force all spectral projectors to commute. Noncommuting sharp observables therefore have no state-independent joint PVM with their original distributions as marginals.
A classical coupling is not a joint quantum measurement
Section titled “A classical coupling is not a joint quantum measurement”For one fixed state, the separate Born distributions
can always be embedded in some artificial classical joint distribution. For example, has the right marginals. But that choice is not selected by the quantum experiment, does not reproduce ordered measurement statistics in general, and need not respect any physically accessible joint correlations.
The obstruction is not the elementary mathematics of coupling two lists of probabilities. It is the absence of one sharp quantum measurement whose marginals are the specified observables for every input state.
Ordered quasiprobabilities
Section titled “Ordered quasiprobabilities”One can define an ordered quantity
It has the correct marginals:
For noncommuting projectors, however, need not be Hermitian, so can be negative or complex. Such Kirkwood–Dirac-type quantities are useful ordered quasiprobabilities, not ordinary probabilities of jointly preexisting sharp values.
Generalized Measurements Are Broader
Section titled “Generalized Measurements Are Broader”The equivalence between commutation and joint measurability applies to sharp projective observables. A generalized measurement uses positive effects satisfying
without requiring .
Two POVMs and are jointly measurable if there is a parent POVM such that
The effects and need not commute. Sufficiently noisy or unsharp versions of incompatible spin components can possess such a parent POVM. What is lost is the simultaneous sharpness of the original projective alternatives.
This is not an exception to the sharp-observable theorem; it is a broader measurement model. The distinction is developed in POVMs: First Encounter and Unsharp Measurements.
Preparation Uncertainty Is Not Disturbance
Section titled “Preparation Uncertainty Is Not Disturbance”For a state , the Robertson relation says
This compares the standard deviations of two hypothetical outcome distributions prepared from the same input state. It does not require that be measured first, and it is not a formula for how much an apparatus disturbs .
Four notions should be distinguished:
- incompatibility: a state-independent relation between observables or measurements;
- preparation uncertainty: a tradeoff between distributions in one input state;
- measurement disturbance: a change caused by a specified instrument;
- joint-measurement error: the accuracy with which one apparatus approximates two target observables.
They influence one another, but they answer different experimental questions.
A vanishing Robertson bound
Section titled “A vanishing Robertson bound”The Robertson lower bound is state dependent. For , , and ,
while
The inequality becomes , even though . The state is sharp in one observable, not both. The bound is simply noninformative about their global incompatibility.
By contrast, the canonical relation
has the same nonzero expectation in every normalized state in the relevant domains, producing
The derivation, covariance term, and equality conditions belong to General Uncertainty Relations. The domain-sensitive canonical case belongs to Position–Momentum Uncertainty.
Disturbance depends on the instrument
Section titled “Disturbance depends on the instrument”A sharp Lüders measurement supplies one standard state-update rule, but an observable does not uniquely specify every apparatus that measures it. Two instruments can have the same outcome probabilities and different postmeasurement states. An apparatus can also add avoidable disturbance after recording its result.
Accordingly, the Robertson relation should never be advertised as a universal error–disturbance formula. Quantitative measurement-error and disturbance relations require operational definitions of error, a measurement model, and careful assumptions.
What Noncommutativity Does Not Imply
Section titled “What Noncommutativity Does Not Imply”Neither observable must be indefinite in every state
Section titled “Neither observable must be indefinite in every state”An eigenstate of has even when . What generally fails is a complete set of states that are sharp in both observables.
Every outcome need not be uniformly random
Section titled “Every outcome need not be uniformly random”Measuring in an eigenstate produces probabilities
These probabilities depend on basis overlaps. They are uniform only for special pairs, such as mutually unbiased bases in finite dimensions.
A zero commutator expectation does not prove compatibility
Section titled “A zero commutator expectation does not prove compatibility”The condition
constrains one scalar in one state. Compatibility requires the operator, or equivalently every relevant spectral-projector commutator, to vanish.
A basis change is not a measurement
Section titled “A basis change is not a measurement”Changing coordinates transforms states and operators together and leaves all physical probabilities invariant. Inserting an apparatus applies an instrument and can change later statistics.
Noncommutation is not the same as contextuality
Section titled “Noncommutation is not the same as contextuality”Noncommutation is necessary structure behind many contextuality scenarios, but a single noncommuting pair is not by itself a Kochen–Specker proof or a Bell experiment. Those claims require additional observables, compatibility contexts, and statistical constraints.
Noncommutation does not imply statistical independence fails in one fixed way
Section titled “Noncommutation does not imply statistical independence fails in one fixed way”Without a sharp joint measurement there is no canonical ordinary joint law to which classical independence can be applied. Ordered, symmetrized, and quasiprobability correlations answer different questions.
Infinite-Dimensional Caveats
Section titled “Infinite-Dimensional Caveats”For bounded self-adjoint operators, is equivalent to commutation of their spectral measures. For unbounded observables, the products and may be defined only on different domains. The formal commutator has domain
Even if on a convenient dense test domain, it does not automatically follow that all spectral projectors commute. The robust compatibility notion is strong commutation:
for all Borel sets and .
Conversely, a nonzero commutator computed on a valid common invariant domain is strong evidence of incompatibility, but domain declarations remain part of the statement. Position and momentum require particular care because their canonical commutator cannot be realized by finite matrices and is most safely related to exponentiated Weyl operators. See Canonical Commutation Relations.
Practical Diagnostic
Section titled “Practical Diagnostic”When a problem says that two quantities are “incompatible,” ask which claim is actually needed.
- To compare algebraic orderings, compute on the declared domain.
- To test joint sharp measurability, compare all spectral projectors.
- To find common sharp states, solve the simultaneous eigenvalue equations; do not infer the answer from one expectation value.
- To predict a sequence, use projectors or instruments in the physical order.
- To study an unread intermediate measurement, apply the nonselective channel rather than deleting the measurement from the calculation.
- To compare preparation spreads, use the appropriate uncertainty relation.
- To discuss approximate joint measurements, formulate the problem with POVMs and an explicit error criterion.
This checklist prevents the word “incompatible” from carrying more meaning than the mathematics supports.
Common Mistakes
Section titled “Common Mistakes”- Reading as the complete state-update rule for two measurements.
- Assuming that noncommutation forces different ordered probabilities for every state and outcome.
- Concluding from one common eigenvector that two observables are compatible.
- Concluding from that .
- Saying that neither observable can ever be sharp.
- Treating the Robertson relation as a universal measurement-error or disturbance law.
- Removing an unread measurement from a sequence instead of summing its outcome branches.
- Treating a change of basis as a physical intervention.
- Interpreting as an ordinary joint moment when is not Hermitian.
- Extending the sharp commutation criterion unchanged to general POVMs.
- Ignoring degeneracy and the difference between one common eigenvector and a complete common basis.
- Manipulating unbounded commutators without checking domains or strong spectral commutation.
Canonical Boundaries
Section titled “Canonical Boundaries”This page owns the physical consequences and interpretive distinctions associated with noncommuting observables. Nearby pages own the detailed machinery:
- Commutators owns bracket identities, generators, and algebraic calculations.
- Compatible Observables owns the equivalence between commutation, common bases, and sharp joint refinements.
- Sequential Measurements owns conditional probabilities and ideal state-update calculations.
- General Uncertainty Relations owns the Robertson and Robertson–Schrödinger derivations.
- Correlations and Covariance owns symmetrized quantum covariance.
- Unsharp Measurements owns nonprojective effects, instruments, and the sharpness–disturbance distinction.
Summary
Section titled “Summary”- means that the two operator orderings differ somewhere in the Hilbert space.
- Finite-dimensional noncommuting sharp observables have no complete common eigenbasis and no common sharp joint measurement.
- They may still share isolated eigenvectors or agree on special states.
- Ideal ordered measurements involve and , not merely the products and .
- Noncommutation makes order effects possible, but special states or outcomes can hide them.
- An unread ideal measurement can alter a later incompatible distribution.
- Preparation uncertainty and measurement disturbance are distinct claims.
- A vanishing state-dependent commutator expectation does not establish compatibility.
- General POVMs can be jointly measurable without commuting effect by effect.
- Unbounded observables require domain control and strong spectral commutation.
References
Section titled “References”- P. A. M. Dirac, The Principles of Quantum Mechanics, 4th ed., Oxford University Press, 1958.
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Exercises
Section titled “Exercises”Exercise 1: A common eigenvector without compatibility
Section titled “Exercise 1: A common eigenvector without compatibility”For
verify that is a common eigenvector, compute , and explain why the observables are nevertheless incompatible.
Solution
Direct multiplication gives
Thus is a common eigenvector. The ordered products are
and
Therefore
The commutator annihilates but not the whole space. One common eigenvector is insufficient for simultaneous diagonalization.
Exercise 2: Ordered spin probabilities
Section titled “Exercise 2: Ordered spin probabilities”A qubit has input state
Using
derive the probability for outcome along followed by outcome along .
Solution
The first-outcome probability is
After that rank-one outcome, the state is . The conditional probability is
Multiplying gives
Exercise 3: An unread incompatible measurement
Section titled “Exercise 3: An unread incompatible measurement”Prepare , perform an unread projective measurement, and then measure . Derive the final probabilities by expanding in the basis.
Solution
The basis relation is
The unread measurement removes the off-diagonal terms in the basis:
Each eigenstate gives the two outcomes with probability . Hence
Equivalently, .
Exercise 4: Order effects can be hidden by the state
Section titled “Exercise 4: Order effects can be hidden by the state”Let the input be the maximally mixed qubit state . Show that two rank-one spin measurements along arbitrary axes and satisfy
even when the two spin components do not commute. Explain why this does not establish compatibility.
Solution
For , the Bloch vector is . Exercise 2 gives
The reversed expression is identical because . If the axes are neither parallel nor antiparallel, their sharp spin operators still do not commute. Compatibility is an all-states operator property; equality for one symmetric input state is not enough.
Exercise 5: A joint PVM forces commutation
Section titled “Exercise 5: A joint PVM forces commutation”Suppose is a projective measurement with marginals
Prove that .
Solution
Distinct projectors in one PVM are orthogonal:
Therefore
The same calculation in the opposite order gives . Hence all marginal projectors commute.
Exercise 6: A complex ordered quasiprobability
Section titled “Exercise 6: A complex ordered quasiprobability”Let
The two effects are
Compute
Why can it not be an ordinary joint probability?
Solution
Using ,
In ,
Thus
Ordinary probabilities are real and nonnegative. This complex number is an ordered quasiprobability whose marginals remain meaningful, not the probability of a sharp simultaneous event.
Exercise 7: When an unread Lüders measurement is nondisturbing
Section titled “Exercise 7: When an unread Lüders measurement is nondisturbing”Let be a PVM and a projector. Show that
if and only if for every .
Solution
If every commutes with , then
Conversely, assume
Multiplying on the left by gives
Multiplying on the right gives
Therefore for every . The equality says precisely that has no off-diagonal blocks between distinct sectors.
Exercise 8: Sort four different claims
Section titled “Exercise 8: Sort four different claims”For each statement below, identify whether it concerns incompatibility, preparation uncertainty, measurement disturbance, or joint-measurement error.
- .
- has a state-dependent lower bound.
- An unread apparatus changes a later distribution.
- One detector approximates both and with finite resolution.
Explain why none of the last three is merely a restatement of the first.
Solution
- This is algebraic incompatibility of the observables.
- This is preparation uncertainty for one input state.
- This is measurement disturbance by a specified instrument.
- This is a joint-measurement error question and requires an error metric.
The first statement is state independent and contains no apparatus model. The second depends on the prepared state. The third depends on the physical state-update map. The fourth depends on a generalized measurement and on how approximation error is quantified. Noncommutativity motivates tradeoffs among these notions, but it does not make their definitions identical.